The way I see it we skinning sites should support each other. I say this not as a memeber of WStalyor.net but as a citizen of WC and skinning in general.

After all, WC was small at one time as well...

But the attitudes of some have surprised me.

I'm not going to be bashing. I will just tell you how it is on our forum, which is quite different than this one. But still, its a forum. We don't allow promotions on our board period. If we allowed for one member we would have to allow for several thousand others and just letting one in has generated several more in a day. We have, however, provided a place where people can place a link.

Even though there are times we have wanted to be more lenient, we have found it to be a mistake to be so. People seeing the promotion were quick to jump in, people even joined just to promote. The new people couldn't possibly know the standing of the member with the first link. They just saw a promotion and didn't think it was fair that they couldn't post theirs.

But it is easier for us, because we can just direct them to the board that we have established for just that purpose.

Almost every forum I have been on has the same standard.

here plain and simple .. links to sites that are skinning related .. yes....any others . no ....

I think it would be a nice addition to have a place where people could put links to their sites. Maybe like an addition to the Community links or something. That way, people always know where to look. there is no worry about the message board getting swamped and links are always accessible. I know at our forum it is always interesting to look through the various sites that our members have made.

PS. "The Community" died a long time ago

PS. "The Community" died a long time ago

It's those kind of attitudes that need to be checked. Maybe we should strive to bring forth a new community. Before it's to late.

I'm with snowman on this one, was a lot better a year/ 2 years ago when I came here.
The group WC adicteds have disapeared, just to call a few, schmoopy, jammeister33, elvee, elfkura, adni and ofcourse Green Armani... things just aren't the same anymore but lets just try to make the best of it...

Kona is right that everyone should support each other! At least until each other becomes a moron.

Original post:
I dont see any harm in posting links to other sites. As long as its skinning related. The problem is that most people here consider it a home. It takes time to breeze through the forums. How many forums can 1 person play around in? Ws Taylor, I really hope your site grows. Its a little busy to navigate around but just like any other you just have to get used to it.

Hijack post:
Styl, I have been around for a couple of years now. People come and people go. It stinks to lose friends but you just have to make new ones.
I have gotten a general sense of regulars not making newbies feel very welcome. Maybe its me but I sense too much pride around here. You want to see community spirit. Check out any post knocking windowblinds.

kona: Sorry buddy, thats not only an "attitude" but its also a blatant fact
Each site seems to maintain its own interest more than trying to "interact" with other site.

But haveing said that I think its not all fair just to put the blame on the sites only.
I would say the most of the blame should be put on the users themself, I mean how many do you frequently see uploading here on WC that also uploading on other sites - not a bloody damn lot!!! I bet you can count'em on one hand! (so to speak)
I dont know, but it seems that most people only stick to one site, and one site only, instead of "spreading the load".

There are off course those that indeed do use more than one site (including yours truely), but our "breed" seems to be an indangered "spieces".

So.... what can be done?!

First off all I think we need to change peoples view of what The Community actually is. If you ask around "what do you feel about The Community", most people tend answer: On which site??
Most sites are sees upon themselves as communities, which is kinda ok I guess, but that is not The Community
The Community is (or rather was) the.... hmm dunno how to put it to words really.... partnership(?!?!) between sites, in the old days before DA and WC got to be the leading places for people to "hang out".

Quite franktly I enjoy more roaming around on the smaller sites, but I visit all sites as often as possible, at least once a day. If only "everyone" would do that I guess the 'beeing-together-spirit' might be easier to revive.

Am I talking out of my ass here or does it at least sound a bit possible?!

Can The Community be revived?

I fear not.....
(but then again, stranger things have happend and one is allowed to hope)

ooookay.... that took the thread a bit off on a sidetrack....

WStaylor: IMO there's nothing wrong with "self-promotion" on other sites as long as its not getting annoying.
(again... the lack of Community spirit maybe?!)

1. I see nothing wrong with putting a link on the MSGBD to your site.

2. I think selfpromoting like putting links to your work on the MSGBD should be a no-no.
Like heres a link to my new wall,WB or what ever.

Snowman, people tend to camp out where they feel wanted,needed liked or comfortable.

A lot of the smaller sites make you feel unwelcome. Like you're invading their personal space or something. There's a little of that at WC but on the whole it's too big to be a clique. People have their own group of friends etc, but that's not a bad thing.

Go over to Skinbase and see how welcome you are...gave that place up pronto - talk about private clubs...!

Fuzzy: everyone is welcomed at Skinbase.
In the 4 years Ive been admin there I cant remember anyone "scareing" no one away.....
We might have "kicked out" a few troublemakers, but I guess thats about it.

But my email is always open if you wanna elaborate it.

Fuzzy....you're wrong there.....for several years I'd religiously hop from site to site daily.....keeping up to speed with everything I could....from Custo to LOS to Base to Deskmod to Devart to Skinz to LS net to Floach to here.....[and others]....got awfully complicated....but as my role here at WC got more 'involving' I found I had less opportunity to channel-surf......but that's perhaps understandable.

People who ARE skinning, etc SHOULD be distributing their works to other sites....and keeping track of the global community....and not get too insular....it's not good for your own development or that of the 'community'...

Here is the official standing on that topic:

If you feel your web site has something to contribute to the community, post it as a news item then let the admins decide if it's news worthy or not.

We can't allow people to start posting threads about their own web site or we'll soon be floaded with these messages.  On the other hand, there was one specific thread that served that very purpose. If it's limited to one single thread, then it's ok. Lemme dig it out for you and make it a sticky thread.